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« on: December 03, 2009, 10:29:18 PM »

Psalms 109:8 Let his days be few; and let another take his office.

Companies have started selling T-shirts and bumper stickers with the slogan ........

Pray For Obama - Psalms 109:8

Cafepress.com and Zaggle.com were the first to profit from this.
I read tonight they have discontinued this line.
I think they are using this in a sense of abusing the Scriptures because it fits the notion that many would desire. They are using the Bible for "shock value".
I don't think this was started by Christians. I believe it was started by someone simply wishing to cash in on the right wing political surge that's sweeping our nation because the country is getting fed up with our current democratic leaders.
I don't think Christians would pray for death , I believe we would pray for his salvation.
I don't think Christian would pray for harm but may pray that he loses the next election.
I think some might pray that if he isn't eligible for the office that this would be brought to light but atheists are going to blame Bible believing Christians for this merchandise.
They will use this to further their claim the Bible is hate literature. I just want the unsaved that visit this forum to know this isn't an accurate representation of children of God.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this use of Scripture?
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« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2009, 07:50:46 AM »

Well, I think the real problem comes in with the next verse:

"Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow"

so the context clearly indicates that the prayer is for the death of an enemy. In the OT, imprecatory prayers were the norm whereas in the NT Jesus commands us to pray for our enemies. Yes, I do consider 0bama an enemy of freedom and our American form of government. And I admit that I have a very difficult time with the praying for such a person.

So, considering the context of the passage - displaying it on a bumper, in my opinion, is not being as wise as a servant and as harmless as a dove. In fact, it gives fodder to those that already hate Christians to find fault unnescessarily with us.
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« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2010, 10:47:39 PM »

There’s a new slogan making its way onto car bumpers and across the Internet. It reads simply: “Pray for Obama: Psalm 109:8”

A nice sentiment?

Maybe not.

The psalm reads, “Let his days be few; and let another take his office.”

Presidential criticism through witty slogans is nothing new. Bumper stickers, t-shirts, and hats with “1/20/09” commemorated President Bush’s last day in office.

But the verse immediately following the psalm referenced is a bit more ominous: “Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow.”

The slogan comes at a time of heightened concern about antigovernment anger. Earlier this year, the president's senior adviser, David Axelrod, said that Tea Parties could lead to something unhealthy. In September, authorities shut down a poll on Facebook asking if President Obama should be killed.

Still, that doesn’t push the Psalms citation into the realm of hate speech, says Chris Hansen, a staff attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU).

The use of Psalm 109:8 is ambiguous as to whether its users are calling for the President to serve “only one term, or less than one term,” he says.

Deborah Lauter, director of civil rights at the Anti-Defamation League agrees that the bumper sticker falls within acceptable political discourse.

For it to be considered hate speech, it “would advocate actual violence or cite scripture that was more clear in its message.”

But that doesn’t mean that it’s completely innocent.

“Are we concerned about real hostility towards [President Obama]? Absolutely,” says Ms. Lauter. “Is this a part of that movement? It may be, but in terms of this message itself, we would not criticize it.”

“The problem is you don’t know if people who are donning that message in a shirt or on a bumper sticker are fully aware of the quote or what follows. Obviously that message makes the ambiguity disappear. If they’re just referring to him being out of office, that’s one thing. If they’re referring to him being dead, that’s so offensive. It’s protected speech, but it’s clearly offensive.”

For many, the slogan is just a humorous way express disapproval for President Obama. It’s been tweeted and retweeted by Obama critics with messages like “too funny” and “an excellent prayer for America.”

Twitter user Cheri Douglas felt compelled to share the psalm with others. Reached by phone, she said she found it on website while searching for Bible passages relating to leadership – a topic on which she writes, speaks, and consults for a living.

Ms. Douglas was unaware of the verses that followed the ones she referenced and doesn’t think that those who shared the psalm wish the President harm.

“I don’t believe there’s Christians who wish him ill will,” she says.

But Douglas does say she’s unhappy with the president and used the psalm to convey that she’d like him to serve only one term.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2009/1116/biblical-anti-obama-slogan-use-of-psalm-1098-funny-or-sinister
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« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2010, 06:31:51 PM »

I'd be happy if he gets impeached and leaves office before the end of his term - I think a joke like Biden would be the proverbial nail on the democratic socialist agenda.
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« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2010, 12:27:15 AM »

I'd be happy if he gets impeached and leaves office before the end of his term - I think a joke like Biden would be the proverbial nail on the democratic socialist agenda.

 Smiley  Yeah , Biden would be a good reason for Obama to not be impeached.

I'm no expert at this but I believe after Biden , next in line would be Nancy Pelosi ........   Cry
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« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2010, 08:37:47 AM »

That is true. Tragic, but true.
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